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Author Topic: Place to Post Evidence Needs (& Mod Update)  (Read 138 times)


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Place to Post Evidence Needs (& Mod Update)
« on: December 13, 2019, 03:44:07 pm »
Original post by Finn141414

We've been working on some updates to the evidence sub, specifically the pinned index where we link all documents. Thanks to all who have been part of this as well as to everyone who has had any role in finding, developing, and clarifying evidence in this case: so pretty much the entire community.

Just a quick additional note: this is the evidence sub. It's not a discussion sub although I personally am not going to stop anyone from discussing evidence in the case. For me the distinction is that the original post should be evidence (a report, document, photo, etc.), and then whatever follows - again - I personally am not going to delete as long as it's not otherwise doxing, name calling, annoying, rude, etc.. That said, function takes precedence so, for example, someone may post a photo of the Saturn but then we may replace it with a more comprehensive post with all information about the Saturn.


- what needs to be added to the evidence sub (that we might already have)?

- what needs to be added (that someone needs to provide)?

- what do you need (that may or may not exist or be available)?

- what else?

If you have something, please send or post. You may also email to MauraMurrayEvidence@gmail.com. Thank you all :).

Comment by trolled_n_dupeified

Items that can be requested from New Hampshire Authorities:

  • NHSP call logs (From 12 PM February 9th 2004 through 12PM February 10th, 2004)
  • Grafton County logs with Vermont calls included (From 12 PM February 9th 2004 through 12PM February 10th, 2004)
  • Transcript of Barbara Atwood's conversation with Grafton County dispatch.

Documents that are known to be in possession of unknown or various members of the community:

  • The Saturn's black box report
  • The complete New Hampshire League of Investigators report
  • Complete collection of interviews conducted that are part of a set of documents (This might be a part of the New Hampshire League of Investigators report)

Documents that may be found at the Internet Archive, Local Libraries, or among documents held by various members of the community.

  • Miscellaneous newspaper articles that have been listed - but not a part of the collection housed at this forum. A list of missing early articles is here: https://mauramurray.createaforum.com/evidence/newspaper-articles-57/ I'm fairly certain that articles written after 2017 are probably not complete.
  • Old posts from family forum
  • Locations searched and not searched by people who did searches.

Documents available from the oxygen documentary:

  • Transcripts of interviews conducted by the Oxygen Show:
A. Chief Williams
B. Dick Guy
C. Jeff Strelzin
D. Maura's fellow student Erin
E. Karen McNamara
F. Terrance O'Connell
G. Maura's High School Friends
H Kurtis Murray
I. John Smith
J. Podcast Guys
K. Julie Murray
L. Fred Murray
M. Kathleen Murray

Note: The above list of interviews may not be complete. I may review the oxygen show to determine what interviews, if any, are missing.

  • Transcripts of Podcasts:
A. Podcast #27

Comment by finn141414
Brilliant thank you! As part of Oxygen Iím specifically interested in Bogardus but as you said ... all of them.

Edit: I think trolled and dupefied will be editing the post as things are mentioned - thank you 🙌🏼

Comment by fulkstop
The Haverhill accident incident report.

Smith references this in his Oxygen interview. It reportedly mentions the rag in the tailpipe. According to Clint, it mentions when Smith collected the soda bottle. I assume someone tried to obtain this?

Comment by SwanSong1982
Fulk, Do we know whatever happened to the rag? Iím assuming LE didnít keep it initially, itís not on the list, so where is it?!?

Comment by fulkstop
I have been looking for two pieces of information that I swear I've heard or read, but forget where. The first is the soda bottle. I have a memory of reading an account that it was scooped up and tossed in the car while the car was being towed. The second is the rag. I swear I read somewhere or heard somewhere that there is no rag in evidence. Again, I can't remember where.

At this point, after following the case for so long, there are times when I simply forget where I have seen something. I have been looking for both of these quotes, and I haven't had any luck yet.

Just to be clear, either one of my recollections could be partially or completely inaccurate. I need to find the source, at which point I will edit this comment.

Comment by SwanSong1982
I will look, too! I know what you mean about reading something and then not being able to find it again.
I have read that there was so much debris along 112 where Mauraís car was found, incredible amount of beer bottles, cans, etc. The implication Iím making is whereís the proof that anything found outside of the car belonged to Maura?

Iíve been trying to find Weeperís comment about LE finding evidence and then getting an official warrant to go back and re-find it, but like you am having no luck.

Comment by SwanSong1982
Iím coming up empty handed, but not finished.

If the bottle was scooped up while being towed, was it scooped up along with the broken door mirror by Lavoie? Was that mirror not considered significant? And if Cecil found the bottle after it was towed, or during the tow, didnít he consider it evidence? Would he toss evidence in the car? That seems rather cavalier...

Comment by fulkstop
As I said, I cannot recall the source of Smith tossing the bottle in the car, and it is possible I am mistaken. But I have the distinct impression that I saw this somewhere. I just don't know where. There have been times where I will remember something, go look for the source, and I will be wrong about details of it. But I always find some basis for the memory. If it was not the bottle, could it have been the rag? Of course, if something was tossed in the car, that implies the car was open...I will have to keep looking. I shouldn't state something until I have verified the source (and I usually do not -- this is an exception).

Comment by finn141414
good catch but I have never seen it and I checked with others who said the same.

Comment by finn141414
OK I wanted to mention that Iím going to try to compile a post about searches that have been done ... similar to what I posted in JWBís post about helicopters but Iíll try to have more dates, details, related articles, whatever I can:

  • NHSP searches
  • NHLI searches
  • Boots on the Ground
  • other searches - whatever people want to share (Iíll check permission before posting anything previously shared with me)
« Last Edit: January 09, 2020, 10:10:02 am by MauraMurrayEvidence »

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Re: Place to Post Evidence Needs (& Mod Update)
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2020, 05:44:54 am »
We are currently discussing the video from the liquor store.  It was requested by Fred in his FOIA case, but there is no video listed in the State's responses (in the categories of evidence).  Anyhow, I wanted to flag this.

Now, we know that NHSP collected videos from three gas stations in Woodsville/Haverhill, so we know some videos should be in evidence.


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